【21页303楼】里尔对克亚尔感兴趣

ajiao · 发表于 2012-2-4 21:55:01

罗马最近几年，中卫能力之差，曝光率之高，无人出克亚尔之右。。

洛里亚、费拉里都比他靠谱的多。

你看看他出场的比赛，有几次没有失误。最让人受不了的是冒顶，白长了那个大个了。说真的，胡安本赛季冒顶，我有印象的，还就是迪瓦约那次。克亚尔简直多的数不清了。

还有一个让人蛋疼的问题，克亚尔的防守位置感非常的差，不是一般的差。造越位，他经常拖到后面，老是被别人打单刀。。。

克亚尔绝对是罗马最近几年最差的中卫，没有之一。卡塞蒂踢中卫，都比他靠谱。

ajiao · 发表于 2012-2-4 21:57:38

原帖由 <i>Paracios</i> 于 2012-2-4 17:20 发表 <a href="http://www2.romabbs.com:81/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=949051&ptid=28372" target="_blank"><img src="http://www2.romabbs.com:81/images/common/back.gif" alt="" border="0"></a>
克亚尔在国家队无论世界杯还是欧预赛都踢得好好的，作为丹麦后防领军人物，带队8场才丢6球，封杀葡萄牙出线，为什么到罗马就这样那样了？

再说海因策表现很好么？对米兰被伊布力压头球，对热那亚被默克尔力压头球 ...

<br><br>个人认为，海因策表现很好。<br>

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meng1987 · 发表于 2012-2-4 21:59:51

克亚尔要打出合格水准至少需要整个后场在人员和防守布置上提高一个档次再说
就像岩石和大卡去皇马那时一样
整体防守坑爹再好的中卫也只能跟着坑爹
前场踢得不好也就是弄不进球
后卫踢得不好没准就被弄进球了
什么时候球队出现混乱的往回退守追对方反击的场面大大减少
什么时候几个中卫的表现也会好起来
最近两场都没看
也说不上来防守问题根源

ajiao · 发表于 2012-2-4 22:00:43

原帖由 <i>Paracios</i> 于 2012-2-4 17:20 发表 <a href="http://www2.romabbs.com:81/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=949051&ptid=28372" target="_blank"><img src="http://www2.romabbs.com:81/images/common/back.gif" alt="" border="0"></a>
克亚尔在国家队无论世界杯还是欧预赛都踢得好好的，作为丹麦后防领军人物，带队8场才丢6球，封杀葡萄牙出线，为什么到罗马就这样那样了？

再说海因策表现很好么？对米兰被伊布力压头球，对热那亚被默克尔力压头球 ...

<br><br>好吧，我挑个刺。罗马意大利杯3-0赢佛罗伦萨那场，克亚尔就有好几个冒顶。印象最深的就是，约维蒂奇边路传球，克亚尔跳起来，没有顶到皮球，直接给了拉贾季奇一个单刀。克亚尔的冒顶是一大把，一大把的。不要说它才4场表现不好。说真的，我还记不起来，克亚尔有哪场比赛表现好。就拿他第一场比赛说，大家都说他可以，你数一数，看他有几个冒顶！！！！<br>

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最后的神 · 发表于 2012-2-4 22:26:20

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原帖由 <I>Paracios</I> 于 2012-2-4 17:20 发表 <A href="http://www2.romabbs.com:81/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=949051&ptid=28372" target=_blank><IMG alt="" src="http://www2.romabbs.com:81/images/common/back.gif" border=0></A> 克亚尔在国家队无论世界杯还是欧预赛都踢得好好的，作为丹麦后防领军人物，带队8场才丢6球，封杀葡萄牙出线，为什么到罗马就这样那样了？再说海因策表现很好么？对米兰被伊布力压头球，对热那亚被默克尔力压头球 ...

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<P><FONT color=red>德比红牌、对乌鸡冒顶还拉伤自己，0-3输尤文，2-4输，其他比赛还有什么毛病？</FONT></P>
<P><FONT color=#ff0000></FONT> </P>
<P><FONT color=black>膜拜神论,这4个失误是直接导致失球和熟球</FONT></P>
<P><FONT color=#000000></FONT> </P>
<P><FONT color=#000000>还有失误没导致失球和输球的就不算了?杯赛3:0胜佛罗轮萨前30分钟<FONT color=#535353>克亚尔</FONT>的表现如何,有几个失误?</FONT></P>
<P><FONT color=#000000></FONT> </P>
<P>既然克亚尔踢得好好的,为什么马加特一定要加入强制买断的条款,而萨巴一定坚持去掉</P>

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rosicky0314 · 发表于 2012-2-4 23:42:51

炮哥刚来罗马的时候都差点去预备队了，都以为5M扔水里了，后来成支柱了
反正冬季也没补中卫，用着吧
而且恩里克的哲学就是拼刺刀，前场比对手多进一个，后场斯特克伦堡负责擦屁股，现在这个几个中卫用着都差不多

fishy · 发表于 2012-2-5 01:44:06

其实球队的防守体系也很有关系的，就好像皇马前几年，什么后卫去了都白搭，但那不单单是球员的能力不行。

反正手中也没人，用到夏天再说。

Avatar · 发表于 2012-2-5 04:16:01

现有人员来说，比较靠谱的组合是布尔迪索和海因策。虽然这两个阿根廷人来罗马之前都被以“神”相称，但是比起这个赛季的胡安和克亚尔，简直就是高了一个档次不止。胡安和克亚尔个人失误之多，比洛里亚有过之而无不及，如果说胡安是身体伤病老化导致运动能力下降，克亚尔的问题就是作为中后卫的防守意识和冷静头脑的缺乏，这决定了他没有成为顶级后卫的潜质，甚至连梅克斯那种级别都达不到。德国人夏天耍手段想送走他不是没有道理。

球迷们若干年前对于洛里亚如此苛刻，真难理解对于克亚尔怎么这么宽容，难道这就是因为一个是光头和长金发。。。

rosicky0314 · 发表于 2012-2-5 10:30:52

因为没人用，老板又不补人，这几个各有各的问题，都差不多。洛里亚那时，健康的胡安和梅克斯这对组合还是靠谱的

wenhbroma · 发表于 2012-2-5 19:16:15

原帖由 Paracios 于 2012-2-4 17:20 发表
克亚尔在国家队无论世界杯还是欧预赛都踢得好好的，作为丹麦后防领军人物，带队8场才丢6球，封杀葡萄牙出线，为什么到罗马就这样那样了？

再说海因策表现很好么？对米兰被伊布力压头球，对热那亚被默克尔力压头球 ...

<div><br></div><div>好吧，那我就给你再详细说一下我的看法。</div><div><br></div><div>Kjaer到罗马来后，截止目前代表一线队踢了11场比赛。看详细表现吧：</div><div><br></div><div>第一场，联赛第3轮，主场打国际米兰，踢满全场。这场比赛国米当时在加斯佩里尼的教导下玩三后卫，水平很水，罗马也很水，最后打成了0:0，国米全场基本很有</div><div><br></div><div>威胁的进攻为零。克亚尔表现没犯错误，但也没出彩，及格。</div><div><br></div><div>第二场，联赛第4轮，主场打锡耶纳，踢满全场。<span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 22px; "><span style="font-size:10.5pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;
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ZH-CN;mso-bidi-language:AR-SA">分钟，安杰洛左路半高球传中，克亚尔头球冒顶，卡莱奥中路头球攻门，皮球被洛邦特挡出危险区域。</span></span><span style="font-family:宋体;mso-ascii-font-family:"Times New Roman";
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ZH-CN;mso-bidi-language:AR-SA">解围不远，克亚尔在和博尔佐尼的碰撞中头部受伤。这场比赛他也有功，就是把几次进攻挡出了底线，最后比分是1:1。他的综合表现，我不说话。</span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 22px; "><span style="font-size:10.5pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:宋体;mso-ascii-font-family:
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ZH-CN;mso-bidi-language:AR-SA">球，同时给了克亚尔红牌。最后罗马1-2输掉比赛。这场他的表现也有对球队有用的地方，干扰了西塞的射门，也把西塞一次准备进攻的球破坏出了底线。他的综合表</span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 22px; "><span style="font-size:10.5pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:宋体;mso-ascii-font-family:
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ZH-CN;mso-bidi-language:AR-SA"><br></span></span></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="宋体">第五场，联赛第12轮，主场踢莱切。踢满全场。全场没有特别的镜头，但是细究下来，莱切的几次反击究竟和他有没有关系，看了比赛的人肯定有个基本的认识。最</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="宋体"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="宋体">后罗马2-1获胜。他的表现，我不说话。</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="宋体"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="宋体">第六场，联赛第13轮，客场踢乌迪内斯。踢了79分钟，直到被卡塞蒂换下。迪纳塔莱进的第一个球时候，球是这样进的：</font><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 宋体; ">平齐中圈附近的一脚长传帮助迪纳塔莱形成</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 宋体; "><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 宋体; ">了单刀机会。</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 宋体; ">克亚尔在追赶迪纳塔莱的过程中不慎拉伤左腿大腿肌肉。在比赛中他也做了将球踢出底线之类的解围。这场比赛罗马最终0-2输掉。他的表现，我不说</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 宋体; "><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 宋体; ">话。只想说迪纳塔莱年龄可比他十来岁。</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 宋体; "><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 宋体; ">第七场，意大利杯八分之一决赛，主场踢佛罗伦萨，踢满全场。</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 22px; "><span style="font-size:10.5pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;
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mso-ansi-language:EN-US;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN;mso-bidi-language:AR-SA">第</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.5pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman";
mso-fareast-font-family:宋体;mso-font-kerning:1.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-US;
mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN;mso-bidi-language:AR-SA">10</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:宋体;mso-ascii-font-family:
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ZH-CN;mso-bidi-language:AR-SA">分钟，佛罗伦萨开出右侧边线球，约维蒂奇挑传禁区，克亚尔冒顶，拉贾季奇突入禁区一脚挑</span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 22px; "><span style="font-size:10.5pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:宋体;mso-ascii-font-family:
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ZH-CN;mso-bidi-language:AR-SA"><br></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 22px; "><span style="font-size:10.5pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:宋体;mso-ascii-font-family:
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ZH-CN;mso-bidi-language:AR-SA">射，皮球高出横梁。</span></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 22px; "><span style="font-size:10.5pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;
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mso-fareast-font-family:宋体;mso-font-kerning:1.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-US;
mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN;mso-bidi-language:AR-SA">38</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:宋体;mso-ascii-font-family:
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ZH-CN;mso-bidi-language:AR-SA">分钟，佛罗伦萨右路在克亚尔的贴身盯防下传中，斯特克伦伯格抢在拉贾季奇前倒地将球没收。还有几次是集体犯错，不追究。</span></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 22px; "><span style="font-size:10.5pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;
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mso-ansi-language:EN-US;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN;mso-bidi-language:AR-SA">第</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.5pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman";
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mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN;mso-bidi-language:AR-SA">62</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:宋体;mso-ascii-font-family:
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ZH-CN;mso-bidi-language:AR-SA">分钟，</span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 22px; "><span style="font-size:10.5pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:宋体;mso-ascii-font-family:
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ZH-CN;mso-bidi-language:AR-SA"><br></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 22px; "><span style="font-size:10.5pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:宋体;mso-ascii-font-family:
"Times New Roman";mso-hansi-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-bidi-font-family:
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ZH-CN;mso-bidi-language:AR-SA">切尔奇在克亚尔的盯防下突入禁区抽射，皮球被斯特克伦伯格挡出。最后比赛罗马3-0获胜，但是看了那场比赛的同志都对罗马上半场的防守很愤怒。其中克亚尔要</span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 22px; "><span style="font-size:10.5pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:宋体;mso-ascii-font-family:
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ZH-CN;mso-bidi-language:AR-SA"><br></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 22px; "><span style="font-size:10.5pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:宋体;mso-ascii-font-family:
"Times New Roman";mso-hansi-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-bidi-font-family:
"Times New Roman";mso-font-kerning:1.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-US;mso-fareast-language:
ZH-CN;mso-bidi-language:AR-SA">付一定的责任。这场比赛他的表现，我不说话。</span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 宋体; "><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 宋体; ">第八场，联赛第18轮，客场踢卡塔尼亚。首发，并一直提到第65分钟比赛中断。比赛场地很糟糕，罗马后防表现很差，不追究。比赛暂时结果是1-1。后面补赛罗马只</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 宋体; "><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 宋体; ">有一个换人名额了，他应该能踢完这场比赛。剩下25分钟比赛，场地条件好的话再对他进行评论。这场比赛他的表现，我不说话。</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 宋体; "><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 宋体; ">第九场，联赛第19轮，主场踢切塞纳。第73分钟换Juan上场，踢了将近20分钟。只踢了20分钟，当时罗马也是5-1领先时候他上去的，这场比赛，不评论。最后罗马5-</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 宋体; "><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 宋体; ">1拿下比赛。</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 宋体; "><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 宋体; ">第十场，意大利杯四分之一决赛，客场踢尤文图斯。踢满全场。</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 22px; "><span style="font-size:10.5pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:宋体;mso-ascii-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-hansi-font-family:
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mso-ansi-language:EN-US;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN;mso-bidi-language:AR-SA">第</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.5pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman";
mso-fareast-font-family:宋体;mso-font-kerning:1.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-US;
mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN;mso-bidi-language:AR-SA">90</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:宋体;mso-ascii-font-family:
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ZH-CN;mso-bidi-language:AR-SA">分钟，皮尔洛后场直塞，夸利亚雷拉左路传中，门前Kjaer试图阻止马特里抢点，但不慎把球碰</span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 22px; "><span style="font-size:10.5pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:宋体;mso-ascii-font-family:
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ZH-CN;mso-bidi-language:AR-SA"><br></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 22px; "><span style="font-size:10.5pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:宋体;mso-ascii-font-family:
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ZH-CN;mso-bidi-language:AR-SA">进自家球门。当然他也有功劳，挡出了门线球。最后比赛罗马0-3输掉。这场比赛他的表现，我仍旧不说话。</span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 22px; "><span style="font-size:10.5pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:宋体;mso-ascii-font-family:
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ZH-CN;mso-bidi-language:AR-SA"><br></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 22px; "><span style="font-size:10.5pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:宋体;mso-ascii-font-family:
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ZH-CN;mso-bidi-language:AR-SA">第十一场，联赛第21轮，客场踢卡利亚里。踢满全场。他表现怎么样，我想刚发生了几天的事情，不用我来帮忙温习。最后罗马2-4输掉。</span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 22px; "><span style="font-size:10.5pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:宋体;mso-ascii-font-family:
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ZH-CN;mso-bidi-language:AR-SA"><br></span></span></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="宋体">好了，总结了。</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="宋体"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="宋体">踢了11场比赛，两场因为客观原因，不算好了。你自己都能记录下来他“德比红牌、对乌鸡冒顶还拉伤自己</font><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 宋体; ">，0-3输尤文，2-4输卡利亚里”的四场有大毛病的比赛。</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 宋体; "><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 宋体; ">至于你提问的还有哪几场有毛病，我已经做了基本交代，对于他在比赛中做的好事，我也略微有个记载。</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 宋体; "><br></span></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="宋体">总共踢到目前，球队有23场比赛，给他这么多机会，应该也不算少了吧。他的表现呢，可以说有亮点的铲断和上抢都不多。他的身体和大多数意甲的前锋比起来可以</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="宋体"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="宋体">说很好了吧，189的身高，年龄23岁都摆在那。可是他的表现貌似不是很相称吧。</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="宋体"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="宋体">按照你说的压低价格了买断，先把买断费、奖金、浮动身价不算。看看罗马要为他支付的代价：本赛季租借费300万欧+本赛季克亚尔的年薪：税前360万，如果买断的</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="宋体"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="宋体">话将和罗马签约三年</font><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 宋体; ">，年薪为396万欧元税前+430万税前+470万税前，用他三年半，算上一点买断费，付出2000W多了吧。</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 宋体; "><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 宋体; ">他这十几场表现这样，你敢期望他马上锻炼强大？只能说出场中灾难级表现和“非受迫性失误</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 宋体; ">”太多。</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 宋体; "><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 宋体; ">现在可以肯定的是这笔交易明显已经亏了，而且继续下去会亏更多。Kjaer的事情和前几个赛季的里瑟等压根没有可比性。</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 宋体; "><br></span></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="宋体">很多同志，包括你自己都在说防守体系的事情，那说说1-1踢平尤文图斯的比赛吧，德罗西踢中后卫，罗马没有换防守体系吧，而且那场比赛尤文图斯没有太大失常</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="宋体"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="宋体">吧，德罗西不是经常踢中后卫吧，那场比赛海因策的表现也不差吧。居然还说海因策的表现好不到哪去，亲，请考虑下海因策的年龄和罗马给他的报酬吧，他那个表</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="宋体"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="宋体">现绝对很高性价比了。他被直接生吃，你说的骑扣，那也没克亚尔189的身高冒顶强，要知道海因策本身就只有179的身高。他年龄大了，起跳速度之类的必然也差</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="宋体"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="宋体">了，被伊布力压头球？你可以去查查，伊布职业生涯至今力压过多少好后卫进头球。</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="宋体"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="宋体">Juan跟没得说了，大家都承认他处于不折不扣的状态下滑期。</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="宋体"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="宋体"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="宋体">再说，有了好的防线还轮得上克亚尔加盟？</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="宋体"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="宋体">糟糕的防线并不会掩饰个人的杰出或者一塌糊涂。</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="宋体"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="宋体"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="宋体">所以，就别嘴硬了。</font></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 宋体; "><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 宋体; "><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 宋体; ">肯定不会买断。压根就不存在买来锻炼这一回事，只会越亏越大。</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 宋体; "><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 22px; "><span style="font-size:10.5pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:宋体;mso-ascii-font-family:
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mexes_cheng · 发表于 2012-2-5 21:49:30

哈哈楼上的太牛了这么详细的都列出来了

哈哈赞的~~ 也狠同意克亚尔一定要退货太坑爹了顶一个！！！

老王 · 发表于 2012-2-5 23:10:30

可亚尔我个人觉得得给时间重建自信还年轻啊！看布尔迪索当年被骂得要死结果现在不是一样好好的么

老王 · 发表于 2012-2-5 23:11:03

只要价钱便宜点我觉得罗马可以入手

Paracios · 发表于 2012-2-6 00:12:42

赢了球我也不和你多说这个了

克亚尔转会狼堡的身价是1400万。21岁能卖这个价的中卫，还是卖给德甲球队，你自己想想全欧洲有几个

难道狼堡经理、丹麦主帅、萨巴蒂尼都全是瞎子？一个水货能抄到这个名气这个身价？

你只盯着一个球员的负面看，自然浑身都是毛病，按你这种方舟子似的找碴思路，海因策、胡安、甚至布尔迪索的失误也能找出一箩筐来，比克亚尔只多不少。

偶像德罗西 · 发表于 2012-2-6 02:13:14

只能说从意甲去狼堡的后卫个个水平都要下降1-2个档次，然后大概很需要一段时间才能恢复得过来；巴尔扎利也是如此，哈哈.....

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